If you look in post #2 & #3 of this thread - Excelfox gives a link to work by Ivan - there is a lot of reading - but in Post #3 I give the name of the file to download - a real cool piece of work by Ivan that shows how to add Menus to a userform - however it does not work in Modal=False or vbmodeless. I actually wrote Ivan and asked him - but he never got around to finish that part. Anyway that is the only good way I have found to have a menu structure on the userform itself (in compiled mode - not design mode). But I need it to work as vbmodeless - I hope ths explains what I am looking for.